BAARE TE LALAT BILALAT DWAR DWAR DIN

Friends,
I respect him for many reasons. Not just the verdict, while writing the verdict his 250 odd pages are worth reading.
He has been the most precise, yet the most impressive!
His perception of the Muslim community vis a vis India is fantastic.
Ayodhya's Ramajanm bhoomi- babari mosque is still alive because it has such an importance! Otherwise it might have died as other issues!
And as wisely appreciated by him as well, I appreciate the greatness of the contemporary muslims and muslim cleriks who accepted the excesses done and allowed the Hindus to pray inside the mosque 500 years ago! Otherwise Hindus could have never been able to do it!
I bow my heads to those great souls . . . and to you!
With all due respect I want to send these few words to clarify his questions and to all those involved in this issue-

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20101004/812/tnl-why-didn-t-tulsidas-mention-ram-temp.html

about while writing RAMACHARITMANAS why Tulasidas did not mention the issue of demolition of the temple -
BAARE TE LALAT BILALAT DWAR DWAR DIN
JANAT HAUN CHAAR PHAL CHAAR HIN CHANAK HAUN
"after roaming from gate to gate whole day, if could get 4 grains in begging and that too of bengal gram, I would feel I have got all the 4 "PHAL" (ARTHA (property), KAAM (sex), DHARMA (. . . ?religion) and MOKSHA (freedom from birth and death))!"
Thats just an indication.
And in my memory I have not heard even a single word in any of his writings other than this.
And, with my father, I am having adequate knowledge about the Hindi literature . . . specialy about Tulasidas.
Obviously, I have a degree only in Medicine not in literature.
Still, if one can give any more examples of Tulasidas writing about the contemporary society, I would never appear on any public forum on net or in real.
Why only Tulasidas, none of his contemporary writers like Meera Bai (did she mention ever about Prithvi Raj Chauhan? About Maharana pratap bravery or cowardishness), Surdas, not even Kabir Das!
But one thing is sure, it was only during the 150 years of Mooughal specialy only 2 of them - Akbar and Shahjahan that all these 4 people excelled!
Why after Kalidas . . . Chand Bardai . . . and such a long gape?
Was there no one to write about sufferings of the masses at that time? Was there no sufferings for the masses at that time?
No! The sufferings end today or tomorrow. And those who make them the only issues, are forgotten! Sooner than later! Thats the world! Tell me one exception. I will give you one example - see how fast PREMCHAND is disapearing from the bookstalls!
So, To Justice Khan and all others, humbly and respectfully my lord!
And all my loving brothers!
Not only those who forget the past, only those who dont leave the bitter things for the future to remember /guess, could cross the boundary of time and geography in this world.. . .
does any one remember who were the people exactly involved in constructing the mosque - yes, but does any one remember who was the first to claim it to be a temple? No! But the issue exists! Because of its nature! Those who were its perpetrators got lost and will be lost . . . on the sands of time. Very soon . . . very - very soon!
My Lord, Hinduism has not been under attack for just last few hundred years. It has been under attack since birth of Budhdhism in written history and probably from the time of its own existence by "SHRAMANS" philosphicaly. But Hidus have had revivals . . . after every upheaval. And every time they have forgiven and forgot the past! ??? Because no one left the bitter story for the future to remember. Or those who did otherwise were forgotten!
And Gandhi's non violence succeeded not because other thoughts were baseless, because with poor, suppressed masses of India, the non violent way of protest suits well! Tulasidas would not had been dolt enough to not to appreciate the needlessness to provoke the mass by reminding them of the burning issues!
That is what a father does when his son has to go for studies for better future!
At present if a person is getting a good job and joins the aristocratic society, he wants to overhaul his parent outlook! Or else forget them! So much so that courts have to interfere now!
Then what about those who are creating the issues at present?
It is not an unprecedented situation.
Politicians will sell their daughters if thats the way left for their survival! Universal . . . worldwide!
Even in USA!
The fact that the controversial site was burning for last 60 years is the best example!
If politicians were sincere, they could have solved it easily and earlier. And politicians include not only MPs and Ministers, even the officers and lawyers of different organisations . . . trusts . . . are doing politics . . . to exploit the common mass, their emotions to imrove their prospects.
So, is it related with Hinduism?
No, it has got multiple leases of life absolutely due to need of pliticians! Of different types!
The purly religious activity was only one - that the muslim clerik allowed the Hindu prayers . . . and the Hindus entered the mosque maintaining its sanctity.. . .
There are so many other mosques side by side of the temple in this country, in no other mosque hindus rally to pray . . . not even to other mosques of Ayodhya! I personaly know the relationship of the Kashi Vishva Nath temple and the Mosaque besides it - I was guided to the location by a Muslim Clerik only . . . Still mosques at other places have no such history of dual existence!
I accept your conclusion that demolition of any temple to construct the mosque could not be proved. But still this "issue" remained in the heart of the masses for 5 centuries . . . without Tulasidas even mentioning it!. . . Is that something to do with Hinduism?
Thats for the Hindus to ponder about!
Manish Kumar

ARYAN and DRAVIDIAN - Non- sense by Responsible people

I have been listenniing these things since my childhood but I am fed up of all these now.
The one of the most senior politicians in this country, one of the most successful with his whole family "successfull" and corrupt. I have heard his non - sense many a times. Including his utterances about "Ravan" on a Diwali! He feels bad about "Ravan" being a villain! But he forgets that Ravan was a brahmin; the caste against whom he has spited enough venom in past and terrorised them worse than present day Mayawati or Laloo Prasad 50 years ago! So, he wants to save the brahmins or he wants them to become a Ravan? Only when a Brahmin is a Ravan, Karunanidhi will respect them!
He says Rama Sethu in Rameswaram was not made by Rama. Good enough! But he believes so because he does not know from which engineering college lord Rama had graduated! Not because there is going to be any prize for the winner of the correct answer, but because there is tender to break the bridge in which his family and partymen (interchangeable anyway) including A. RAJA, T. R. BALU, MARAN . . . are going to earn thousands of crores. I bet that project is a non sense and useless- we will come to know only after 50 years! These politicians will make it sure that the mass does not come to know it before all the beneficiaries die! But for ease of masses, NASA has started google earth - any one can open and see for himself the shallowness of the sea connecting Rameshwaram and Lanka. No two surfacing Island is more than 4 kilometers apart! Nowhere in the world the sea is so shallow and the earth is seen from the water surface so clearly . . . even from thousands of kilometers above by the satelite camera in such a narrow and long strip! . . . Who is blind here?
And I know that Mr. Karunanidhi is agood and successful writer. How can he insult the knowledge of VALMIKI (WHO BELONGED TO AN UNTOUCHABLE COMMUNITY TO WHOM KARUNANIDHI CLAIMS HIS DEDICATION - EVEN A DRAVIDIAN AS PER DEFINITION BY KARUNANIDHI) who wrote RAMAYAN - in original, mentioning each and every location beautifully. If not the "Lord" RAM, Engineers - NAL and NEEL who were DRAVIDIANS as per KARUNANIDHI standards, should be appreciated. Forget Rama, present day people whose existence are going to end "realy" within next few years are questioning his very existence; but what about Valmiki? Was he there or not? If not who wrote RAMAYANA? Should not we all respect his eloborate knowledge of the geography of this country! Specialy those who dont even want to think about other regions of this country. They should think thousand times before talking!
I hope by now you would have read the link http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Aryan-culture-is-planting-superstitions-Karunanidhi/articleshow/6680639.cms
After Ayodhya verdict, Mr. Karunanidhi has said Aryans are spreading superstitions! I think the ultimate question I should ask him is Who is "ANARYA" among the judges? And most importantly, can Mr. X Y Z say for sure who all in this country are ARYANS and who all are Dravidians, and who are Mongols . . . and how many mixture . . . two or three types of them? and what about having a Racial count before a caste count?
I am sure Mr. X Y Z would not be able to say for sure whether he is an Aryan or Dravidian or a mixture or if so how many times from which side!
Manish Kumar

Who benefitted out of the Ayodhya verdict?

(1) Media- doing good buiseness and will continue (2) Central government - did you see recent inflation rate - its 16.44! (3) Suresh Kalmadi
The biggest losers - (1) lawyers - and if same trend continues - (2) the tea shop owner - no more topic as hot as tea/ coffee to be discussed!

Ram Janma Bhoomi Verdict: Why Sunni Wakf Board claim was rejected?

My grand ma used to say - JAR, JAMEEN, JORU, JOR KE; JOR GHATE TO AUR KE - Immovable (property), land and wife belong to the strong/ powerful people, your power is reduced, these things become others'!
There is lot of merit in this popular proverb of our villages even today.
What had worked against Hindu claim in 1885, that 350 years has passed . . . worked similarly against Sunni wakf board!
Hindus though kept praying inside the mosque . . . had no way to claim the temple and so they lost in 1885.
Similarly, in 1949 when during a riot the lord Ram idol was placed in the main dome area, Muslims, demoralised by the the division of India, had no confidence in the shystem . . . left the issue! The first title suit was filed only in 1989 from the muslim side! Thats the reason all the judges have declined their claim! Of course in addition there were other reasons sought by justice Sharma that as testified by the shia clerik (dont know if it would have been a shia mosque how he would have testified!) a mosque on the religiously disputed location is HARAM (unreligious) . . .
Manish Kumar

Rama Janma Bhoomi verdict: A relief than anything else

Though every one felt in his heart, but every one was confused and no one was confident and only few came in open. This verdict is a relief becasue -
(1) It will work as a reference point for further negotiations among the representatives from different parties as till now every one felt as and what ever he wished! At least to say in open. What every one felt in his heart inside, only he can say.
(2) It is authentication that temple was there below the mosque!
(3) It is obvious that British did not take the pain to look in to the matter because they were not interested in our people and pride! Not because it was not possible or not necessary!
(4) It has cleared the doubt that "faith" is a fact and if duly proved by popular practice, court does consider that!

Rama Janma Bhoomi: First Indian Verdict

GIST OF THE FINDINGS by S.U.Khan J.
1. The disputed structure was constructed as mosque by or under orders of Babar.
2. It is not proved by direct evidence that premises in dispute including constructed portion
belonged to Babar or the person who constructed the mosque or under whose orders it was
constructed.
3. No temple was demolished for constructing the mosque.
4. Mosque was constructed over the ruins of temples which were lying in utter ruins since a
very long time before the construction of mosque and some material thereof was used in
construction of the mosque.
5. That for a very long time till the construction of the mosque it was treated/believed by
Hindus that some where in a very large area of which premises in dispute is a very small part birth
place of Lord Ram was situated, however, the belief did not relate to any specified small area
within that bigger area specifically the premises in dispute.
6. That after some time of construction of the mosque Hindus started identifying the premises
in dispute as exact birth place of Lord Ram or a place wherein exact birth place was situated.
7. That much before 1855 Ram Chabutra and Seeta Rasoi had come into existence and
Hindus were worshipping in the same. It was very very unique and absolutely unprecedented
situation that in side the boundary wall and compound of the mosque Hindu religious places were
there which were actually being worshipped along with offerings of Namaz by Muslims in the
mosque.
8. That in view of the above gist of the finding at serial no.7 both the parties Muslims as well
as Hindus are held to be in joint possession of the entire premises in dispute.
9. That even though for the sake of convenience both the parties i.e. Muslims and Hindus
were using and occupying different portions of the premises in dispute still it did not amount to
formal partition and both continued to be in joint possession of the entire premises in dispute.
10. That both the parties have failed to prove commencement of their title hence by virtue of
Section 110 Evidence Act both are held to be joint title holders on the basis of joint possession.
11. That for some decades before 1949 Hindus started treating/believing the place beneath the
Central dome of mosque (where at present make sift temple stands) to be exact birth place of Lord
Ram.
12. That idol was placed for the first time beneath the Central dome of the mosque in the early
hours of 23.12.1949.
13. That in view of the above both the parties are declared to be joint title holders in possession
of the entire premises in dispute and a preliminary decree to that effect is passed with the condition
that at the time of actual partition by meets and bounds at the stage of preparation of final decree
the portion beneath the Central dome where at present make sift temple stands will be allotted to
the share of the Hindus.
Order:-
Accordingly, all the three sets of parties, i.e. Muslims, Hindus and Nirmohi Akhara are
declared joint title holders of the property/ premises in dispute as described by letters A B C D E F
in the map Plan-I prepared by Sri Shiv Shanker Lal, Pleader/ Commissioner appointed by Court in
Suit No.1 to the extent of one third share each for using and managing the same for worshipping.
A preliminary decree to this effect is passed.
However, it is further declared that the portion below the central dome where at present the
idol is kept in makeshift temple will be allotted to Hindus in final decree.
It is further directed that Nirmohi Akhara will be allotted share including that part which is
shown by the words Ram Chabutra and Sita Rasoi in the said map.
It is further clarified that even though all the three parties are declared to have one third
share each, however if while allotting exact portions some minor adjustment in the share is to be
made then the same will be made and the adversely affected party may be compensated by
allotting some portion of the adjoining land which has been acquired by the Central Government.
The parties are at liberty to file their suggestions for actual partition by metes and bounds
within three months.
List immediately after filing of any suggestion/ application for preparation of final decree
after obtaining necessary instructions from Hon'ble the Chief Justice.
Status quo as prevailing till date pursuant to Supreme Court judgment of Ismail Farooqui
(1994(6) Sec 360) in all its minutest details shall be maintained for a period of three months unless
this order is modified or vacated earlier.

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Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.
Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.
Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.
Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.
Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.
Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.
Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.